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Post by hcfwesker on Apr 16, 2008 19:04:18 GMT -5
Guess what??? to me, i think RE:CV-X is the best game in the series as far as the core titles goes ... and Guess what??? Very few are going to agree with me. Been there, done that!!! Capcom says it's important to the story and it's an RE game, but many fans' of the series hate it the most, and, you guessed ... Guess What??? I don't care, cause it's my opinion against theirs. I'll have my say-so, let them have theirs, and then ... I go to bed not caring about it anymore. Yes, RE4 is an RE game. Yes, I know Capcom says it is. They made the thing. They put the RE name on it. But it's NOT what RE was built on and it is NOT survival horror in the least. It's Survival Action/Adventure. Hell, i wouldn't even put survival in it, all you had to do was continue from the last door you entered before you died. C'mon, let's hear your counter claim
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Post by contracts420 on Apr 17, 2008 9:45:49 GMT -5
Well i must say CVX was a great game...i enjoyed it to. So now every game series that moves on and changes a little is no longer in fans minds worthy of the series as a whole. People need to grow up and realize. I love the old planet of the apes movie. Never thought the remake would even stand a chance...it was different in many respects but it was a worthy remake in my view regardless. Unlike all of you im not shallow about change in a series i enjoy a small change or big one. The game itself is survival horror. It does have some horror elements...but like i said before...i cant stress this enuff because i swear people dont even read it when i say this...If it wasnt survival and you werent trying to stay alive then you would be dead right from the first ganado. Just because you dont run around the ****** things dont meen it isnt survival. You didnt run around them to survive you did it to save some ammo. Counter claim that.
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Post by boltdragon on Apr 18, 2008 23:50:41 GMT -5
You do realize it doesn't matter what Capcom says, if theres not a large fan base, than the series dies. Because most of Japan RE fans buy the games like candy, they keep producing games. Just stop with the pointless bickering. You're bringing up the same thing over and over again, turning yourself into a one-trick-pony. I use that term heavily too. I also did ask people I knew bout RE4 compaired to the Classics. 23 say RE4 was the best in the series, 27 say the game can goto hell. Said the same thing about RE5 due to the gameplay. Resident Evil was based on zombies. By switching with one game it messes up too many views on Resident Evil. Most likely if RE4 had zombies, it would be praised by all gamers. Personally I hate the "ancient evil" cliche, which was a big turn off for RE4.
We're all entitled to our opinion you idiot. Just because you keep saying we're wrong doens't make us wrong. You're just getting your panties in a bunch because we're not agreeing with you over a game. I mean really, you say we sit here and do stupid shit, yet you come on and praise a game thats largely past its prime. Anyone who still plays RE4 has issues.
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Post by contracts420 on Apr 19, 2008 9:32:01 GMT -5
Well i must say alot of people on here play the old resident evil's still...way way way past there prime. I must say you might enjoy the old ones more and your friends or people you know...but i personally dont think your the typical gamer who plays online and loves shooter and racing games and all the good stuff. You prolly like the weird stuff that capcom brings to the table and a few other crappy companies. Well i still believe im right because in the end more people enjoy RE4 over the old ones in this world. Im just trying to stick it your heads that it is the best RE and more people think so. But i originally posted this thread to get people to say whether or not RE5 would be better...than the old school fans found it as an oppertunity to say it better be and will be because RE4 was a disgrace blah blah blah...thus giving me a reason to turn this into a different topic. Its not my fault this turned out the way it did...old school fans should learn when to shut it.
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Post by boltdragon on Apr 19, 2008 21:49:02 GMT -5
You're the one who keeps continueing because you don't like our opinions. We said our opinions, you kept saying our opinions are wrong, basicly saying opinions are facts.
By that theroy, you're wrong saying a majority of the people say RE4 is the best. A majority of the RE fans will think of Resident Evil 2 or Resident Evil 3 before RE4 comes into mind. Only good thing about Resident Evil 4 is that you can aim your gun. You could do the same in Survivor, Dead Aim, and Resident Evil: Code Veronica's Battle Game.
We all are entitled to our own opinion, which you seem to not get through you're god d**n head.
Oh and saying we should be the ones to shut it is making yourself look stupid. The bigger man knows when to walk away ya know. But knowing how you react you'll end up posting somethin to this anyways. You always do when someone makes a point you seem to extremely hate.
Oh and calling Capcom a crappy company, why do you play their games then? If thats your opinion of their company than you're saying the games themselves are crappy, which means theres no point for you to even play them.
Finally, just shut up and get on with somethin else. If you like RE4, you like it. There are people here who hate RE4, so what? Everyone doesn't have to love a game because its the newest in the series. Hell thats basicly saying everyone should praise Final Fantasy XII, which was crappy by the way. Final Fantasy VIII is the best one IN MY OPINION.
Fun Fact: In most US copies of RE4 if you aim down it'll appear that Leon doesn't have any legs.
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Post by hcfwesker on Apr 20, 2008 5:52:47 GMT -5
I'm getting so friggin dizzy from this topic starting right back to where we started. You HAVE no support here, it seems, that all should hail RE4. until now ... "I love Re4, don't you love RE4 as much as me. I goto bed and kiss my RE4 gamebox everynight just for being in my life. I dream about RE4, wondering why i have to sleep when that's precious time away from my RE4, the greatest game ever! When i wake up, i cook eggs, preferably Golden eggs, because that's what Leon eats when he needs an energy boost. RE4 is my life, shouldn't it be yours too. sing along if you know the words ... *breaks out the RE4 fanboys anthem* " I love RE4, do you love Re4? yes, i love Re4! where would i be without RE4? you love Re4, i love Re4, lets' play Re4". **Los Illuminadios sing back up vocals*** R-R-R-R-R E-E-E-E-E RE4-RE4-RE4 4-4-4-4-4-4-4 RE4-RE4-RE4-RE.... FOURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!" there, i caved. with a smiggen of Sarcasm, just a smiggen
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Post by boltdragon on Apr 21, 2008 19:00:07 GMT -5
Got nothin else to say? I guess you learned when to keep your mouth shut by trying to force your opinion onto other people. You like RE4 so f**king what? We didn't like RE4 so f**king what? RE4 is just a stupid action game. Hell the knife does the most damage out of all Resident Evil knives thus far, making a knife run unworthy of being called one. Buying weapons, I can see that being a good thing but wouldn't you think Saddler would of killed the merchant after the 2nd or 3rd time he supplied Leon? Hell RE4 was stupid is that sense, with crows having random grenades and cash on them. I can understand maybe an egg, but a grenade? How can a bird carry a grenade?? Defing the laws of physics it can! RE4 has atleast 10 things that make it worse than the other RE games I can think of off the top of my head. Knowing how you act you're going to post saying stupid remarks about the things I list saying that they are wrong, I'm a retard, and all that stupid crap. 1. Defing the laws of psysics plenty of times. 2. Loss of Backtracking 3. Loss of Enjoyment 4. The merchant somehow going undected by Saddler 5. Weapons in the most unexpected places (RE games put them in places that they would seem to be.) 6. Knife runs aren't a challenge 7. Don't need a varity of weapons to finish the game, just the starting handgun 8. Run-and-gun gameplay 9. Puzzles take no brainpower 10. Made for people who are lazy and don't want to think I'll be waiting for your stupid remarks
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Post by contracts420 on Apr 25, 2008 16:18:03 GMT -5
Well its been a over a week since my last post i believe. But im back to piss you all off. Now Im sorry I come off as a prick but I must say this again in my defense. I started this topic for discussion...but not about what it turned into. If old school fans didnt walse in and start saying **** about RE4 then this whole thing never would have started. So you can't blame me for there mistakes. But I will go on with my list of ten reasons why old school=boring
1. Backtracking ruined the expierence 2. Too many puzzles ruined gameplay 3. Not enough ammo 4. Story that kept going even tho developers knew they were just dragging it on for no reason 5. they brought to many characters in with no closure for any of them 6. Umbrella was the only thing pushing the story forward 7. Fixed camera got boring after RE3 8. Action was never really present in the games 9. Gameplay was recycled for like 6 or 8 games 10. Spending 2 hours to figure out how to get past one little thing...talkin about time consuming
I already know what your gonna say. Thats the stuff we loved about the game haha. Well what you love is boring. By the way if you wanna tell me about stuff being in weird places. Who keeps bullets on top of a office desk. What kind of place makes you go through so many puzzles....no place on this planet. The police station was filled with them. Let me know if you ever find a police station with those kinds of puzzles...if any at all lol. So if you wanna bark about little things then I can do the same right back. This is fun...really it is.
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Post by boltdragon on Apr 25, 2008 22:28:45 GMT -5
Atleast you're smarter than the people who got after Outbreak >.>.
Ammo
About the ammo thing, why would any Ganados put ammo in crates for Leon if they're trying to kill him? Why would there be ammo laying around anywhere besides the Commando part, which would be understandable. Oh and if you never saw the tips Capcom gave players when you let the title screne fade away, they even say that you shouldn't kill everything, just run away. Take that advice into consideration when you say not enough ammo.
Puzzles, camras, and backtracking
Puzzles is what made Resident Evil what it is. That and zombies. Backtracking made it seem a little real. I mean, why would everything you need be in one place, and better yet how could the character being played know where everything is without the help of documents and the like. The camra I can agree on, changing it was needed, but making it over-the-shoulder isn't what they should of done, should of more or less did Dead Aim's view with over the shoulder aiming like Silent Hill Origins was planned to be.
Other stuff
Resident Evil was in the survival horror genre. Now it has moved into the action genre, losing its survival horror genre it has had from the beginning.
The story was,more or less, being filled in by certain games. RE3, RES, RES2, REDA, REO, and REO2 were just fillers to keep the fans occupied till they had the next one finished.
Other things I'm too lazy to put into categories
Yeah no place will have such complicated puzzles, but thats a major part of any game, figuring out puzzles to move forward in the game or to unlock something of value. Its kind of a videogame staple.
It was usually the ammo in unexpected places, almost never the guns. I can somewhat understand why the ammo might be there, for instance, someone was hiding in that area and got killed/turned into a zombie. His ammo would of been left there or fallen off of him during the strugle/undead phase.
All in all, everytime any of us says somethin thats stupid about one game, the other(s) will say somethin in response to any postives or negatives that are said, thus making this whole thing pointless cause its all opinion, and rarely, factual based. Neither side can win, neither side can lose. It'll just end in a stalemate eithe way.
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Post by hcfwesker on Apr 25, 2008 22:47:57 GMT -5
Well its been a over a week since my last post i believe. But im back to piss you all off. you're not pissing me off, in the least. I think YOU might be getting pissed 1. Backtracking ruined the expierence Backtracking means exploring and represents REAL environmental situations. 2. Too many puzzles ruined gameplayPuzzles was WHY i played the games. 3. Not enough ammoGreat., the challenge is there, thwn 4. Story that kept going even tho developers knew they were just dragging it on for no reasonThe story had concluded the Raccoon segment. And a dam fine story it has been. 5. they brought to many characters in with no closure for any of themno, they brought back leon and ada in RE4 because they could try and get some kind of "forbidden love" theme going... which is ABSOLUTE crap for an RE game. 6. Umbrella was the only thing pushing the story forwardNot, wesker? how th ex-stars members were going to track him down? who has the G-virus, now? who is HUNK working for now that RockFort is gone? and i got plenty more ... 7. Fixed camera got boring after RE3sorry, silent hill and fatal frame, and other titles still use them. but Capcom wanted make more money off the series and cater to the more, casual action/shooter gamer, which IS where the gaming market is concentrating on right now. 8. Action was never really present in the gamesBINGO!!!! Why does surviving a zombie outbreak HAVE to be about action. you're really digging yourself a hole, proving everything we've said; about why people love RE4 so much 9. Gameplay was recycled for like 6 or 8 gameswhat about John Madden football. same gameplay since 1995 (still a #1 sellimg franchise) 10. Spending 2 hours to figure out how to get past one little thing...talkin about time consumingyou must SUCK!!! no wonder RE4 is like heaven for you. the game requires no survival horror skills at all!!! It really is. to come and and see you run around in circles, never progressing in this debate. but, you are trying so hard.
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